Now that I have moved to Houston I have begun to develop my knowledge of the local brewers. After a short series of phone tag, Brock Wagner, owner, and I were able to hammer out a meeting at the Saint Arnold Brewery in Northwest Houston.
Interview with Saint Arnold Owner Brock Wagner:
OH: How long has the brewery been operating?
BW: Texas was a tough nut to crack but we have been in operation for 14 years. That includes 6 years of rapid, 20 percent a year growth.
OH: How did you start the brewery financially and logistically?
BW: After working as an investment banker my partner and I put in around 900k 300 of that going to the initial equipment necessary and the rest mainly spent on space. But the equipment was cheaper then. Now to do the same thing would cost closer to two million.
Brock went on to tell me that they had self-distributed for a year and a half before having the volume and relationships necessary to work with a distributor. All of their initial buyers were called on by them, without the use of any brokers. They began by serving liquor stores and smaller bars, when they moved into grocery is when they needed the distributor. Brock and Saint Arnold also do all their own bottling.
OH: What was difficult about the beginning?
BW: Well, if you don’t have the cash it is almost impossible to raise. The shipping microbrewery market is a for-passion industry, very few players are large enough to gain margins of larger proportion. Sam Adams being one of the most successful. New Belgium, Sierra Nevada, and all those trying to sell to AB have the next closest bet.
OH: What are your growth plans?
BW: We want to stay inside Texas. 6 million projected in sales to get economies of scale to have better margins. To get there we need to expand production. I have been looking at brew houses in Germany and will be visiting on soon to see if a cask and be brought back here. TX if a difficult market for beer, most consumers are loyal to the mainstream American Lagers, but we have had growing support.
OH: Why not try to move into neighboring states?
BW: Well, we want to have the best beer possible when it reaches our customers and that means freshness to us. So we want to be as close as possible.
OH: You began brewing as a home brewer, have you had any affiliation with the Brewers Association?
BW: I actually recently finished a term on their board. I believe I was asked mainly because of my financial experience. They have just recently completed an initiative to take a group of microbrews to China, that is really exciting.
OH: How would you recommend someone interested in the business participate and develop knowledge?
BW: Seek out a position in a larger microbrew, learn the business side. Definitely home brew to learn more about the process. Get some hard business experience with a salary especially if you have the interest in later starting your own business. Keep an eye on the industry and where the niches are. Right now the costs are rising from equipment and the raw materials, both hops and malt. Basically there is no magic secret work hard and have a passion for what you do.
I would like to thank Brock for spending the time to speak with us. He has definitely given back through the Brewers Association and continues to brew great Saint Arnold Beer.